Comments on: More Tenchi-Nage http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=more-tenchi-nage the weblog of the Aikido Center of Jacksonville Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:16:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jerry http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-108 Jerry Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:21:56 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-108 Tonya is still in NYC. Her apprenticeship ends October 31st. Tonya is still in NYC. Her apprenticeship ends October 31st.

]]> By: dichotomy http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-107 dichotomy Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:08:44 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-107 Asking Dee or Grady would probably put the issue to bed, but it wouldn't be as satisfying. Diligent work is the best way to solve a problem. Especially one that is not pressing. It makes the answer more meaningful and more memorable. Asking Dee or Grady would probably put the issue to bed, but it wouldn’t be as satisfying. Diligent work is the best way to solve a problem. Especially one that is not pressing. It makes the answer more meaningful and more memorable.

]]> By: MM http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-106 MM Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:44:41 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-106 I know how to settle this... I'm asking Dee... Is Lane Sensei coming to winter camp? I heard he was still unsure :( Btw, where is Tonya right now? Anyone know? I know how to settle this… I’m asking Dee…

Is Lane Sensei coming to winter camp? I heard he was still unsure :(

Btw, where is Tonya right now? Anyone know?

]]> By: Jerry http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Jerry Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:19:58 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-105 Okay. There is a technique Sensei teaches for randori that bears a (slight) resemblance to what you are looking for. Essentially, when uke strikes with shomen, nage enters to uke's striking side and applies kokyu, before uke cuts down. Nage then raises her other hand to continue the backwards circular motion to uke's sword arm. This has the effect of forcing uke to change hanmi. Nage then cuts uke's backwards, with atemi to either uke's head or center. I've always classified this as a form of kokyunage. All I can tell you, dichotomy, is that I have never seen the shihans teach tenchinage from anything other than a grab. <strong>However,</strong> in the spirit of keeping an open mind, I am willing to meet you half way. At winter camp, you will have plenty of opportunity to ask some senior Aikidoka about this. I suggest someone you already know, such as Lane Sensei. Please don't mention me. Good luck! Okay. There is a technique Sensei teaches for randori that bears a (slight) resemblance to what you are looking for.

Essentially, when uke strikes with shomen, nage enters to uke’s striking side and applies kokyu, before uke cuts down. Nage then raises her other hand to continue the backwards circular motion to uke’s sword arm.

This has the effect of forcing uke to change hanmi. Nage then cuts uke’s backwards, with atemi to either uke’s head or center.

I’ve always classified this as a form of kokyunage.

All I can tell you, dichotomy, is that I have never seen the shihans teach tenchinage from anything other than a grab.

However, in the spirit of keeping an open mind, I am willing to meet you half way. At winter camp, you will have plenty of opportunity to ask some senior Aikidoka about this. I suggest someone you already know, such as Lane Sensei. Please don’t mention me.

Good luck!

]]> By: dichotomy http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-104 dichotomy Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:08:39 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-104 The reason I started thinking about it is because of something Jerry said (unintentionally getting the ball rolling). I like Tenchinage the best out of any other technique, but we usually only do it out of ryotatori, which is a very limited application. I don't feel that it is a basic technique, and I think it has a lot more depth than most people give it credit initially. I tried to think of ways to include it in other applications, and I think Shomenuchi is the hardest, but I have been taught by several instructors that any grab can be thought of as a vector of force. This means there is no difference between a grab and a strike as long as you can blend with that force line. In theory, I think it is applicable, but blending with a shomenuchi into a tenchinage is beyond my personal abilities right now. I am going to have to work on it before I give up. "Aikido is limitless" -O'Sensei The reason I started thinking about it is because of something Jerry said (unintentionally getting the ball rolling). I like Tenchinage the best out of any other technique, but we usually only do it out of ryotatori, which is a very limited application. I don’t feel that it is a basic technique, and I think it has a lot more depth than most people give it credit initially.

I tried to think of ways to include it in other applications, and I think Shomenuchi is the hardest, but I have been taught by several instructors that any grab can be thought of as a vector of force. This means there is no difference between a grab and a strike as long as you can blend with that force line. In theory, I think it is applicable, but blending with a shomenuchi into a tenchinage is beyond my personal abilities right now. I am going to have to work on it before I give up.

“Aikido is limitless” -O’Sensei

]]> By: MM http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-103 MM Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:55:52 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-103 Exactly! It is all of aikido. That's why I like tenchinage. It very clearly and obviously displays and lays out those vital elements: on one hand you feel the ballance taking low, on the other the kokyu cutting high through center. It is an ideal 5th kyu technique because of how clearly it illustrates the three fundamentals from a static position. It literally is what an aikidoka should be honing from the start. Exactly! It is all of aikido. That’s why I like tenchinage. It very clearly and obviously displays and lays out those vital elements: on one hand you feel the ballance taking low, on the other the kokyu cutting high through center. It is an ideal 5th kyu technique because of how clearly it illustrates the three fundamentals from a static position. It literally is what an aikidoka should be honing from the start.

]]> By: Jerry http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-102 Jerry Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:27:46 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-102 MM, You've just described all of Aikido. Taking balance. Cutting uke's center. And kokyu. Cheers! MM,

You’ve just described all of Aikido.

Taking balance. Cutting uke’s center. And kokyu.

Cheers!

]]> By: MM http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-101 MM Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:27:16 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-101 Nah, I think dichotomy has it!! ... but it involves a spork. :/ Technically, I think tenchinage is a technique that every beginner should study, and even every shodan should study as well. I think there is a real reason it is on the 5th kyu exam. It comprises three things that I'm told by my instructors are the fundamentals and heart of aikido: taking ballance, cutting towards uke's center, and kokyu. And it relates these three fundamentals in a very obvious, simplistic and rudimentary way. Perfect 5th kyu technique-- beautiful aikido technique. Nah, I think dichotomy has it!! … but it involves a spork. :/

Technically, I think tenchinage is a technique that every beginner should study, and even every shodan should study as well.

I think there is a real reason it is on the 5th kyu exam. It comprises three things that I’m told by my instructors are the fundamentals and heart of aikido: taking ballance, cutting towards uke’s center, and kokyu. And it relates these three fundamentals in a very obvious, simplistic and rudimentary way. Perfect 5th kyu technique– beautiful aikido technique.

]]> By: Jerry http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-100 Jerry Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:56:46 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-100 But that's not shomenuchi. That's katamenuchi. And if dichotomy tries tenchinage, he's going to get hit. Let's face it. Dichotomy is insane. Hence the name. But that’s not shomenuchi. That’s katamenuchi. And if dichotomy tries tenchinage, he’s going to get hit.

Let’s face it. Dichotomy is insane.

Hence the name.

]]> By: The Dark Knight http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/2009/10/more-tenchi-nage/comment-page-1/#comment-99 The Dark Knight Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:56:45 +0000 http://www.aikidocenterofjacksonville.com/blog/?p=219#comment-99 make if you strike shomenuchi with one hand and grab with the other...dont we do that? i "THINK" that is what Dichotomy is refering to. make if you strike shomenuchi with one hand and grab with the other…dont we do that? i “THINK” that is what Dichotomy is refering to.

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