The Wrong Reasons To Become An Uchi Deshi

1. Jerry 5.20.09 / 9pm

   Seriously? There have been deshi who have made commitments based on these criteria?

   Too funny!
2. incogneto 5.20.09 / 9pm

   I think #4 is funny in light of the previous post she said about her daily life. Seems to be a lot of chores involved.

   Is there a lot of people trying for #6 in your experience?
3. Tonya Mochocki 5.21.09 / 9am

   I’d say the most common reason is # 1. A lot of the other ones are sort of co-reasons people become uchi deshi or ‘visitors’ staying in the dojo for a few months. Some are simple misconceptions people have that want to be uchi deshi for other reasons that are good, but their lack of foresight about performing certain expected responsibilities makes their stay either very short or very unenjoyable.
4. Tonya Mochocki 5.21.09 / 9am

   I’ve heard some funny stories about an uchi deshi that was kicked out. I don’t remember names, but I will say that my source is of the highest caliber. The ‘deshi that is no more’ once put out a jar and wrote ‘beer donations’ on it. This didn’t go over well, especially because there were parents and children around ‘it was the weekend.’

   I must say because uchi-deshi are volunteers we are not forced to be professional when we interact with members, but we do have to be polite and have common sense. That said, if we want to stay up late and party, we can, but we also have to get up at 6:00 am sharp and be ready to train (8:30 on the weekends).
5. The Dark Knight 5.21.09 / 10am

   ^^^ funny…
6. Jerry 5.21.09 / 12pm

   I am always in favor of beer donations, as a matter of principle. 🙂
7. Incognito 5.21.09 / 4pm

   Awesome.
8. Jerry 5.21.09 / 5pm

   Hmm….The “deshi that is no more” sounds almost like “he who shall not be named”.

   Could it be? Is the deshi Lord Voldemort?!
9. Jerry 5.21.09 / 5pm

   Or maybe…”the boy who lived”.

   IT’S HARRY POTTER!
10. The Dark Knight 5.22.09 / 12am

    never read a chapter or watched a scene of harry potter…so you lost me…
11. Jerry 5.22.09 / 1pm

    Will Sugano Sensei be testing you, Tonya?
12. Buck 5.22.09 / 5pm

    What’s wrong with No. 7?
13. Buck 5.22.09 / 6pm

    It would be nice if you could post some pics or video of your test. YouTube?
14. grassHopper 5.23.09 / 11am

    #2.. Awwww maaaan… you’re ruining my dreams here…
15. The Dark Knight 5.23.09 / 11pm

    2/3. been in martial arts for 13 years now…kicking/punching/throwing someone isnt the best way to get romantically involved…
16. grassHopper 5.24.09 / 7am

    Says who? Is not aikido about ‘love’? 😉 Fear not, I jest. Grasshoppers, like ninjers, are funny like that.
17. Tonya 5.24.09 / 9am

    The reason I put 2 and 3 on there is because a lot of past deshi were notorious for being womanizers and a lot of women who would come to watch classes and drool over the deshi. Luke called them groopies, which I found funny. He said they were useful when the dojo needed to be decorated for christmas, but that was about it.

    I am certainly hoping that there will be someone around tape my test. I think there will be plenty of people with cameras hanging about. It may even be put on U-tube without my asking for it, especially if I do a good job.

    Sugano Sensei will be testing me. And I know from watching previous tests that he likes to challenge the participants. I’ll probably have four attackers for randori instead of the usual three. I’m a little scared too because I am a deshi. I hope he doesn’t decide to put any jo or bokken on there.
18. The Dark Knight 5.24.09 / 11am

    nothing says “i love you” more than nikkyo…
19. Jerry 5.24.09 / 11am

    Do you have groupies, Tonya? 🙂

    Seriously, if your test is taped, I want a copy.
20. Jerry 5.24.09 / 2pm

    Groupies other than us, I mean.
21. Jerry 5.24.09 / 5pm

    DK and grassHopper, an interesting post given our discussion about atemi and Aikido evolution.

    (The atemi to the kidney reminds me of the atemi I’ve seen Bernath Sensei perform during ikkyo and jo/tachi tori.)
22. grassHopper 5.24.09 / 8pm

    Very informative, thanks. I love those “a href” tags.
23. Jerry 5.24.09 / 10pm

    Interestingly, the movement described (other than the knee strike) is something I emphasized in class the other day.

    I.e., off-balancing uke directly to the rear (“third point”), rather than over uke’s lead foot.
24. The Dark Knight 5.24.09 / 10pm

    “The primordial version started with a hard entry to the side. Nage extended two “unbendable arms”, one blocked uke’s same side arm and the other struck uke in the kidney. The block, punch and entry were all one swift motion with power driven from the hips. The punching fist could then reach up, grab uke’s collar pulling them back and down. In time with the pull, nage would step through (again powering all motion from the hip) with the leg closest to uke and planting it at about uke’s third point. All the while hammering uke’s face with the blocking arm. All this together was intended to smash uke down on top of nage’s bent knee, possibly breaking their back but certainly inflicting severe injury — so much for fuzzy wuzzy Aikido.”

    I like it, but i dont get it…kidneys strikes are from behind right? to my knowledge yes..

    so like..my right hand would block uke’s left hand, then my left hand strikes the kidney?? from the side? so then i reach up and grab uke’s collar and pull them down across my knee??

    must see this…
25. grassHopper 5.25.09 / 7am

    If your right hand is blocking his left hand, then your left hand is behind him already, since you “started with a hard entry to the side” – I think.
26. The Dark Knight 5.25.09 / 12pm

    hmm..ok i think im starting to see. but wont that open you up??

    hard to put any kind of movements into words…

    gaahh!!! i need to go weds just to practice this with someone..
27. grassHopper 5.25.09 / 3pm

    No, because you’re in the same position as fuzzy wuzzy irimi-nage.
28. Jerry 5.25.09 / 3pm

    During a seminar a few years ago, a nage–who should have known what he was doing–dropped me on his knee, injuring my back. I was furious.

    He had enough skill to complete the technique, (that variation, however, was not demonstrated), but not enough skill to keep his connection with me. (If he had, he would have been cognizant of the danger.)
29. Incognito 5.26.09 / 2pm

    Well, we kind of have our own groupies… kind of… the people at the laundry mat seem to like us anyway. I don’t know if any one has ever tried to cultivate them as full blown groupies… Any takers?
30. grassHopper 5.26.09 / 4pm

    I think we’re more like entertainment. Time seems to drag whilst at the laundry mat. I have this sudden urge to go around to every local martial arts school and just stare at them.
31. The Dark Knight 5.27.09 / 10am

    *thoughts running through their minds as they watch us*

    “why are they wearing pajamas? and is that guy wearing a dress??”
32. Jerry 5.27.09 / 9pm

    How was your first class teaching, Ryan?
33. incogneto 5.28.09 / 12am

    Who is “Ryan”? :~/

    It was rough… We did some 5th and 4th kyu stuff because every one in the class will be up for one of those 2 tests within the next few months… I confused the flibimajibit out of everyone in the last 3 minuets of class with that hip submision you hate. Pretty bad…
34. Jerry 5.28.09 / 8am

    What hip submission?
35. Incognito 5.28.09 / 11am

    The opening is a Yokomen or a tsi that is recieved in a mirror stance. The forward side continues uke’s movement in the direction the uke was going so that the back is exposed. The forward hand snakes around to the uke’s neck and a step is taken into the uke’s back. This reverses the homni. The nage sinks their hips below uke’s and sets them beside uke’s back in much the same way as a hip throw, but this is not a thow. The forward hand (formerly the one that was further back) snakes around uke’s forward hip. The other hand at the neck has at this time taken uke’s balance when the nage droped their center before causing uke to bend over backwards. Now, with one hand on the neck and the other on the hip, the nage extends both hands toward his center and loads the uke on his hips (not the back, you’ll hurt yourself that way). Finally, the nage’s palms are put on his own inner thighs while he still has uke’s head and hip traped within his arms. If you want to crunch because your uke is flexable (although this is usally enough to get most people because their spine is being torched while their abdomin muscles and organs are being stretched) you can bring your feet closer together for added pain.

    Uke is off of the ground during this technique, but it does not take much muscle to do becuase you are lifting with the hips. I am not sure what this technique is called, do you know what it is called, Jerry?
36. MM 5.28.09 / 1pm

    I hate that submission. :'( I curse you…
37. Jerry 5.28.09 / 1pm

    incogneto,

    I have no idea what you are describing. What on earth possessed you to try to teach something like this?

    I assumed you were going to stick to 5th kyu techniques….
38. The Dark Knight 5.28.09 / 1pm

    i cant even picture what you are trying to do…
39. Buck 5.28.09 / 2pm

    Incogneto:

    Instructors take the responsibility of teaching techniques that are accurate and safe. Please abide.
40. Jerry 5.28.09 / 4pm

    Rereading your description, is the technique a kokyu-nage with a choke?
41. Incognito 5.28.09 / 4pm

    No, it is not a throw, but it might me a kokyo (like I said, I am unsure as to the proper name). I just want to enphesis that it is not a throw, but more of a submision (the uke taps out). I don’t think I am explaining it well. I did it with Kevin when you and Sensei were there… I think Friday two weeks ago. Your reply was, “oh yea… I hate that one.
42. Jerry 5.28.09 / 6pm

    Let me see if I understand this. You performed the technique on one occasion, outside of a regular class, and, after hearing me say “I hate that one,” you tried to teach it in your very first class, to beginners?

    Sigh.
43. The Dark Knight 5.28.09 / 11pm

    o.O
44. MM 5.29.09 / 8pm

    I hate that one!!! >_< AGAIN!!!
45. Jerry 5.29.09 / 9pm

    I spoke to Dee. The technique is a variation of this, performed at the hips. Dee learned it from Chris Rozette. She’s never taught it in class. (She’s only demonstrated it privately.)

    Actually, I think this whole episode is pretty funny. Our newly minted 4th kyu, demonstrating a daito-ryu technique in his first class.

    (My hat’s off to you, incogneto. I’m impressed you actually remembered it!)
46. grassHopper 5.29.09 / 9pm

    😯
47. Jerry 5.30.09 / 1pm

    So, grassHopper, where have you been lately? We miss you in the regular classes!
48. grassHopper 5.30.09 / 5pm

    Boy Scouts, media rehearsal, video project, Memorial Day, transitioning to braces, family, and school. I should be coming regularly in a bit. Would you like to enlighten me (show me, don’t word it here unless you want to) regarding morotetori kokyu-ho? Thank you, Sir Jerry.
49. Jerry 5.30.09 / 5pm

    ❓

    Your 5th kyu technique? Your technique is fine, IIRC. What’s the issue?

    Let’s move this discussion to the new post….

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